I needed new gear after getting back into the game after 25+ years. Tried these and bought them because of the price, but then start looking at them more and more. They ride up on me easily, the chest protection (which really is what I wanted the most) is a bit meh, and they are a tad heavy. I like a better fit on my arms as well and felt that these were made a bit too generic in terms of fit. They did have a good low profile and weren't too bulky, but after taking them back to the store and trying on a different brand, I found ones that were lighter, better fitting, and provided more protection.. all with a better profile, so I paid they extra $25 for that.